No free calls with BETAMAX and Fring?

juan01 · 10-05-2008, 02:55 AM

Hi everyone,

I have opened a Poivy SIP account last week, and did a test call first to see if I really could call a fixed line for free here in Spain, as they advertise with on their site. That was indeed the case. But when I topped up my account with 10 euros, I suddenly was deducted money, stating on my account page that I broke Poivy's Fair Use Policy. So I couldn't make free calls anymore.

I've read somewhere on the net that BETAMAX (owner of Poivy, VoIPBuster and a bunch of other Fring affiliated SIP providers) would enforce this FUP during a whole week, and after that week the restrictions would be disabled. Not the case here!

And then I've read the following on some forum today:

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It turns out that VoipDiscount is counting these free minutes per IP address instead of per account. I suspect that VoipBuster uses the PBXes IP address instead of the IP address of the caller.

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VoipDiscount / Betamax sees PBXes' IP address instead of your own. For now you could use voxalot for all your outgoing calls, and have PBXes route/forward your incoming calls to voxalot.

Source: Fair Use Policy Exceeded for VoipDiscount - PBXspace

So does this mean that I'm using Fring's PXB's IP address here? That would probably mean that I would NEVER be able to comply to BETAMAX's Fair Use Policy and as long as I keep calling with my mobile with Fring, I can not make use of the free calls to fixed lines offer!

I did a little test earlier on. I signed up on Voxalot, put my Poivy data in my webcaller (eyeBeam), and was calling for FREE to a fixed line here in Spain...

Then I entered my Voxalot data in my mobile with Fring, and called the fixed line again. I was charged! Checked again. Free on my computer. And then I tried doing it all over again (resetting my ADSL modem aswell, so to generate a different IP address), ang guess what? It won't even let me make an outgoing call anymore! So no free calls with Fring, not even with Voxalot in between!!!

If this is the case, can I do anything about this? Is this assumption correct, or am I talking nonsense here now? OR are these BETAMAX people just a bunch of thieves?

juan01 · 10-09-2008, 10:44 AM

I did a little test earlier on. I signed up on Voxalot, put my Poivy data in my webcaller (eyeBeam), and was calling for FREE to a fixed line here in Spain...

Then I entered my Voxalot data in my mobile with Fring, and called the fixed line again. I was charged! Checked again. Free on my computer. And then I tried doing it all over again (resetting my ADSL modem aswell, so to generate a different IP address), ang guess what? It won't even let me make an outgoing call anymore! So no free calls with Fring, not even with Voxalot in between!!!

Can Fring fix this problem perhaps? Or the Betamax people, like they did with Voxalot?

wfolly · 01-27-2009, 01:01 AM

I have the same problem. But I sign justvoip. When I call from my computer using a client sip, the calls are free. When I call from my iphone using fring from the same network, the calls are charged.

emoci · 01-27-2009, 08:30 PM

The problem is that Fring uses their server to achieve registrations much like VoXalot...

So your IPhone registers with Fring and Fring with BetaMax...as a result the Fring server IP is passed to BetaMax for a bunch of people...hence the FUP

If you've got jailbroken IPhones..take a look at HowTo: Setup VoIP On Your iPhone - Voxalot FAQ

wfolly · 01-28-2009, 04:24 PM

Thks emoci... I´ll try and I´ll post what happens

ladude626 · 02-12-2009, 03:01 AM

If your iPhone is Jailbroken, use Cydia to search for "SiPhon". It's much lighter and loads faster than Siax.

10-09-2008, 10:44 AM	#2
juan01 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Test with Voxalot I did a little test earlier on. I signed up on Voxalot, put my Poivy data in my webcaller (eyeBeam), and was calling for FREE to a fixed line here in Spain... Then I entered my Voxalot data in my mobile with Fring, and called the fixed line again. I was charged! Checked again. Free on my computer. And then I tried doing it all over again (resetting my ADSL modem aswell, so to generate a different IP address), ang guess what? It won't even let me make an outgoing call anymore! So no free calls with Fring, not even with Voxalot in between!!! Can Fring fix this problem perhaps? Or the Betamax people, like they did with Voxalot?

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wfolly Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have the same problem. But I sign justvoip. When I call from my computer using a client sip, the calls are free. When I call from my iphone using fring from the same network, the calls are charged.

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emoci Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,422 Thanks: 123 Thanked 369 Times in 282 Posts	The problem is that Fring uses their server to achieve registrations much like VoXalot... So your IPhone registers with Fring and Fring with BetaMax...as a result the Fring server IP is passed to BetaMax for a bunch of people...hence the FUP If you've got jailbroken IPhones..take a look at HowTo: Setup VoIP On Your iPhone - Voxalot FAQ

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wfolly Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thks emoci... I´ll try and I´ll post what happens

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