Betamax FUP

ataboy · 03-11-2008, 05:26 PM

Is anyone else getting Betamax FUP charges on calls through Voxalot? I seem to be getting them from time to time and I'm not sure why.

As they don't answer my emails I'm no nearer to finding out the reason. I thought the IP address problem had been solved, so I guess it can't be that.

ataboy

191727 · 03-11-2008, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ataboy

Is anyone else getting Betamax FUP charges on calls through Voxalot? I seem to be getting them from time to time and I'm not sure why.

As they don't answer my emails I'm no nearer to finding out the reason. I thought the IP address problem had been solved, so I guess it can't be that.

ataboy

i am also getting FUP Exceded when using Betamax services. I didnt use 300 free minutes but still I am getting FUP and been charged. And this is happening only very recently. I guess there is something between betamax and voxalot. It might be that betamax is not willing to cooperate with voxalot anymore.

could someone (moderators) get in touch and explore what is happening? thanks in advance. we dont get any reply from betamax but hope to get reply from voxalot.

Tony · 03-12-2008, 04:00 AM

hmm... interesting. I will make contact and see if Betamax has changed their policies.

I will keep you all posted.

Tony.

dimagiba · 03-12-2008, 11:25 AM

Same here. I only noticed this today when I happened to login to my Betamax web account but after a quick glance at my call list, it seems that the FUPs started popping up much earlier.

Then I noticed that I only get the FUPs with calls originating from my SPA-2000 that's registered to Voxalot. Calls from my softphone (which does not register with Voxalot) seem to be still free. If you now look at small print at their website, the 300 minute limit now applies not only per week but also per unique IP address (see direct quote below). Betamax considers all calls via Voxalot as originating from the same address. Is this the IP address issue that you mentioned?

Anyway, I tried registering my SPA to the US server instead of the AU server that I've been using for some time. Calls are free again but probably only until I use up the 300 minutes. Then I shift to the EU server for another 300 minutes. Then I'll probably get a SPA3102 so that I bypass the need for Voxalot and have a "unique" IP address all (or most of) the time. :-(

I hope that this is really not the case but if it is maybe Voxalot can mask its server's IP address and send the true originating IP address to the Betamax servers instead. I'm not sure if this can be done, though. For those of you who have static IPs, this probably won't help. :-(

"* Max 300 minutes per week of free calls, measured over the last 7 days and per unique IP address."

flaquadrat · 03-12-2008, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ataboy

Is anyone else getting Betamax FUP charges on calls through Voxalot? I seem to be getting them from time to time and I'm not sure why.

As they don't answer my emails I'm no nearer to finding out the reason. I thought the IP address problem had been solved, so I guess it can't be that.

ataboy

Hallo!
no "FUP" charges using Betamax Clones over "eu.voxalot.com" server.
Calls to free and not free destination are charged normaly.

... do You maybe use some Public Wifi Spot (share same IP address with many "Betamax" users)? ...

Regards,
Fla

andy · 03-13-2008, 01:34 PM

Do you notice it happening with only particular destinations?

Someone posted in the VB forum about calls to Finland ...

trottm · 03-13-2008, 11:07 PM

For the past couple of weeks I have been geting the FUP messages through Voxalot. I tried PBXes and mysipswitch but all are affected the same. I wonder whether Martin can work his magic with them again?

emoci · 03-13-2008, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trottm

For the past couple of weeks I have been geting the FUP messages through Voxalot. I tried PBXes and mysipswitch but all are affected the same. I wonder whether Martin can work his magic with them again?

I have had no issues with InternetCalls and VoXalot, however I have noticed that calls starting from MySipSwitch routed through VoXalot do produce FUP once in a while

Andy's also right, FUP is more common for calls to Italy and England for me, rarely happens with US/Canada

flaquadrat · 03-14-2008, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trottm

For the past couple of weeks I have been geting the FUP messages through Voxalot. I tried PBXes and mysipswitch but all are affected the same. I wonder whether Martin can work his magic with them again?

Hallo!
No "FUP's" using VoipCheap and VoipBuster via eu.voxalot.com with SIP device Siemens 450 IP from Vienna, Austria.
I am calling mostly free destination's in Austria and Italy (landlines) - *no* FUP's . Calling mobile and not free destinations I have *no* FUP's to!
90% from my calls are after 19:00 and I am sending 2-3 SMS/day using Betamax Web Interface.

1) Problem with PBXES is well known and "old" (forum.voipbuster.com).
2) Please be more specific:
- which Voxalot server do you use (au,eu,us)
- which SIP device/configuration
- at home or student campus or hotel or public wifi spot
- do you notice FUP using Betamax Windows Interface or Web Interface (Pone 2 Phone, Web Callback) ?
- do you have problems only with specific destinations or all destinations or randomly or ...
- naturaly, free days and credit > 0 is required to ...

Regards,
Fla

ataboy · 03-14-2008, 11:21 AM

It's difficult to go back and check the precise circumstances of each call. However I will do so from now onwards and eliminate public WiFi spots and so on. Enough people seem to be saying that they have no problem to make me believe that it might at my end.

Thanks for your feedback!

ataboy

03-11-2008, 05:26 PM	#1
ataboy Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greater London, UK Posts: 198 Thanks: 36 Thanked 23 Times in 23 Posts	Betamax FUP Is anyone else getting Betamax FUP charges on calls through Voxalot? I seem to be getting them from time to time and I'm not sure why. As they don't answer my emails I'm no nearer to finding out the reason. I thought the IP address problem had been solved, so I guess it can't be that. ataboy

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03-12-2008, 04:00 AM	#3
Tony Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 221 Thanks: 64 Thanked 106 Times in 49 Posts	hmm... interesting. I will make contact and see if Betamax has changed their policies. I will keep you all posted. Tony.

03-12-2008, 11:25 AM	#4
dimagiba Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Same here. I only noticed this today when I happened to login to my Betamax web account but after a quick glance at my call list, it seems that the FUPs started popping up much earlier. Then I noticed that I only get the FUPs with calls originating from my SPA-2000 that's registered to Voxalot. Calls from my softphone (which does not register with Voxalot) seem to be still free. If you now look at small print at their website, the 300 minute limit now applies not only per week but also per unique IP address (see direct quote below). Betamax considers all calls via Voxalot as originating from the same address. Is this the IP address issue that you mentioned? Anyway, I tried registering my SPA to the US server instead of the AU server that I've been using for some time. Calls are free again but probably only until I use up the 300 minutes. Then I shift to the EU server for another 300 minutes. Then I'll probably get a SPA3102 so that I bypass the need for Voxalot and have a "unique" IP address all (or most of) the time. :-( I hope that this is really not the case but if it is maybe Voxalot can mask its server's IP address and send the true originating IP address to the Betamax servers instead. I'm not sure if this can be done, though. For those of you who have static IPs, this probably won't help. :-( "* Max 300 minutes per week of free calls, measured over the last 7 days and per unique IP address."

03-13-2008, 01:34 PM	#6
andy Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK Posts: 218 Thanks: 34 Thanked 22 Times in 19 Posts	Do you notice it happening with only particular destinations? Someone posted in the VB forum about calls to Finland ...

03-13-2008, 11:07 PM	#7
trottm Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 28 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	For the past couple of weeks I have been geting the FUP messages through Voxalot. I tried PBXes and mysipswitch but all are affected the same. I wonder whether Martin can work his magic with them again?

03-14-2008, 11:21 AM	#10
ataboy Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greater London, UK Posts: 198 Thanks: 36 Thanked 23 Times in 23 Posts	It's difficult to go back and check the precise circumstances of each call. However I will do so from now onwards and eliminate public WiFi spots and so on. Enough people seem to be saying that they have no problem to make me believe that it might at my end. Thanks for your feedback! ataboy