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01-03-2007, 09:14 AM | #21 | |
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It's great to have the callback feature but it means setting up the call with an internet browser, which isn't always available/ideal abroad. |
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01-03-2007, 11:31 AM | #22 | |
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So actually, if you can find out the incoming number of your hotel room, callback can be the cheapest of all, like maybe even free depending on your VoIP tariff. And if a payphone accepts incoming calls ... Setting up from a web browser is one method, but there are several others - like calling a trigger number, either dedicated per number on the account or a portal that recognises caller ID, or sms or wap/gprs from a mobile. And not necessarily back to the same phone in any of these cases, so a mobile can be used to set up callback to a landline. I'm not against this extra facility being thought about, but I still think some people aren't reckoning the cost of the access call. The Voxalot web-based callback allows any numbers via your listed providers, whereas the mobile version uses only routes preset in the phonebook listing. So as you say, your choice is restricted from your hotel, which is why I hope a method can be added for ad hoc numbers from the mobile callback ... If anyone doesn't have data facilities when roaming on their mobile, then think about getting another SIM in a spare phone; the amount of data used is modest, and for extra motivation there are also Java clients for cheap sms from 2 or 3 cents each Last edited by andy; 01-03-2007 at 02:26 PM. |
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01-03-2007, 07:40 PM | #23 | |
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I don't want to buy another sim card or set up call backs etc... I (the proverbial I meaning we) just want something as simple as dialing a number to use our SIP rates from ANY phone. I'll not saying lose the web callback feature because it has it's functions. I'm just saying introducing this would facilitate mobile calls to anywhere, anytime, anyplace... p.s. how do you suppose a callback to a hotel room ext. would work??? At best, if the hotel doesn't have a auto attendant answering calls, MAYBE you'll get lucky enough to have the front desk answer which would just hang the call up anyway... |
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But there are parts of this that you still refuse to explain. Most of all, how much are you going to pay to call this access number? - it certainly is not free Let's say you're in a hotel that tells you outgoing calls cost 25 cents a minute - what call do you make to where that means you make the best use of your VoIP rate of 2 cents a minute? I say either use callback that costs you 4 cents a minute, or a calling card that costs maybe 10c, but I don't see how you can get below 27c aggregate cost. From a mobile, if you don't want to use a different SIM when abroad, then with a couple of exceptions like Vodafone Passport you're either restricting yourself to roaming tariffs or accepting that you won't use it at all. You can't magically call a local number and get your VoIP tariff to anywhere from anywhere - well you can but this access call when roaming might cost you €1 or more per minute If someone asked for advice when visiting Europe, I'd say get a local SIM if visiting only one country, or one of several global ones with free roaming in many countries. It depends on the balance of outgoing and incoming call charges. In some countries there are mvno SIMs with pretty cheap direct-dialled int'l calls; in others you'd use callthrough via a freephone or local number while for some you'd be best off using callback. But if it's all too complicated to go into getting another SIM, then you are losing the chance to make mobile calls for 10 or 20 cents per minute, even less in some cases (2c or 8c is cheapest), and no local DID can help you unless you have cheap roaming (but if you do have Vodafone Passport, you might as well call home as the local number - same price) Quote:
I feel like I've said too much on the subject and become boring, even to myself. Carry on lobbying for this callthrough arrangement if you wish, but I doubt it will be as useful as you hope |
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01-14-2007, 12:17 AM | #25 |
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Accessing your Voxalot account via PSTN
I think this is useful and feasible; especially with a service like sip broker that offers a lot of access numbers in a lot of countries. The goal would be to access your voxalot account via a local sipbroker access number (where one exists) and make outgoing calls using your existing voxalot dial plan/providers.
True it seems like a lot of steps but when you are out of the country it a lot less hassle and way cheaper than paying the local international rates For someone visiting a country with a sipbroker access number, dialing the sipbroker access number would be a local call. All I would need before travelling is to determine if a sipbroker access number exists in the country I am visiting and I'm all set for my trip. I really think it should be considered for implementation |
01-15-2007, 03:01 AM | #26 | |
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Some discussion above was about not messing about with a local SIM card, but if you are hoping to use your mobile with its home SIM, you'd be charged at roaming rates for the access call. |
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01-19-2007, 10:33 PM | #27 |
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I hate being a tease but look out for a new feature called "VoXRoam" in the not so distant future
Also early next week we release the first part of a series of feature updates including things like web callback via dial plan, better voicemail control features + NAT handling options to name a few.
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Great News Martin!!! Can't wait!!!
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Callback would indeed be less worthwhile in USA, and I think it rather odd to suggest that's what I was on about, especially as I said you can already do the callthrough you want with some providers, fairly similar to calling card methods. US networks have some of the world's highest roaming charges, both for visitors to the country and for their customers travelling elsewhere. Not one of them has free incoming calls anywhere else, or cheap outgoing calls from inclusive packages, so I think you are fantasising about picking the right plan from the right company, or perhaps you haven't actually been abroad with your US mobile. There are only very few such options, though they are increasing like the announcement by 3 UK a few days ago, or between 3 Denmark and Sweden for a while. O2 UK has free incoming in Spain for a £5 a month fee. T-mobile Czech has free (temporary) roaming on several T-mobile networks, and other T-mobiles could roam free in Germany at the football World Cup last year. Some networks in the Baltic states eg Tele2 possibly Bite have free roaming between the countries So I'm sorry if it will sound contentious, but if you can produce any evidence whatsoever of avoiding roaming costs abroad that you keep mentioning, then please publish it. There are SIM cards with cheap roaming, but almost all of these depend on their own callback systems, not direct-dialled outgoing calls. Their own tariffs, while better than the main companies, can be dramatically undercut by using other callback systems from a range of providers, and this is where Voxalot comes in, using one or two of your favourite VoIP companies And I still say it is very easy to use a simple Java client in the mobile, and not that difficult with or a couple of bookmarked wap pages or URLs instead to connect two landlines together, using a little as 1 or 2k of data, and call tariffs that start from zero. And there are other callback trigger methods too, if you don't have data. Quote:
As I almost hinted, I think a Voxalot Java client in the mobile would be a great idea, or if not then at least more facility to dial any number not pre-listed in the phonebook. As I've only used the mobile callback, I haven't studied dial plans enough yet, but will this facility extend to mobile use? Last edited by andy; 01-20-2007 at 02:40 AM. |
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