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Unread 12-24-2008, 02:44 PM   #31
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Hi Rybshik,



Well, I also have my question marks about this service.

At first sight, iNum looks very interesting as they provide ITU-assigned e164 numbers which -in theory- should also be accessable from the PSTN-network. (iff you read the ITU-document "at cost of a 'national' call").

However, then I ask myself why they set up a seperate enum-root, and not use the "official" e164.arpa tree like everybody else.


My guess is that -very simple- voxbone want to get incoming calls on their netwerk and -in fact- compete with sipbroker.
I believe it is less about competing with SipBroker and more about the upcoming opportunity to be the terminator of choice for Telcos.

In General iNum as it is helps in two directions:

1. Calls between users of various networks are now direct. We never did have much of a problem here at VoXalot with direct calls to Gizmo given SipBroker's integration. However take a TPad or BetaMax user, and they'd have to set up their ATA for SipBroker independently of the provider. With iNum it is a direct call.

2. If VoXBone manages to convice a few Telcos to terminate to these numbers, I suspect +883 will become a relatively big hit with Intl Roaming operators. Here's where VoXBone is likely to be looking for profits, as they'll charge the fee for terminating the calls.

On that note, I also suspect that not getting listed in e164.arpa was not mean-spirited just an indication of the red-tape involved to get there.

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BTW. Has anybody see this:
http://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-t/oth...F30001MSWE.doc

"The initial +883*5100 dialling plan will consist of +883*5100 followed by five digits, i.e. +883*510*0XX*XXX.".
So does this mean that the numbers as assigned by voxalot at not ITU-complient?

Cheerio! Kr. Bonne.
That is interesting. So far numbers handed to Gizmo, VoXalot and even the Echo testing number are 15 digits...

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Unread 12-24-2008, 05:11 PM   #32
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If you want to test calls to iNum numbers you may dial for free at least one of iNum local access numbers - 6468436969 (New York, NY USA) using Gizmo5 Backdoor Dialing.

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Unread 12-24-2008, 09:38 PM   #33
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How do you get the prefix "510004" for voipbuster? what is the rest "xxxxxx"? Voipbuster's username? If my voipbuster username is 'dude1975', what should i dial?
As far as I understand Voxalot provides all voxalot-users an INUM. So my INUM at Voxalot is 883510004xxxxxx (where xxxxxx is my Voxalot-user).

Voipbuster doesn't provides its users an INUM (not yet).
Voipbuster says it is possible to phone an INUM (for free). And that is good because there are only a few providers in the world who opened their network for calling to +883-numbers. And indeed it is possible to call for free (even if you have no credit at all) via voipbuster. But the connection fails at the end.

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Unread 12-25-2008, 01:06 AM   #34
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Sorry Ron we were trialing a new ENUM root that was intercepting the calls. You should not need to change anything as iNum calls should be seamless. You just need to make sure that none of your dial plan entries are kicking in.

Please try again and let me know if it is OK?

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Still not working, Martin. Still getting "We're sorry, the number you have called could not be connected".

883510000000091 is being routed to Voxalot as the privider by an explicit Dial Plan rule that looks for a prefix of '6'. A Dial Plan Test returns "A call to:6883510000000091 will get forwarded to 883510000000091 via Voxalot".
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Still not working, Martin. Still getting "We're sorry, the number you have called could not be connected".

883510000000091 is being routed to Voxalot as the privider by an explicit Dial Plan rule that looks for a prefix of '6'. A Dial Plan Test returns "A call to:6883510000000091 will get forwarded to 883510000000091 via Voxalot".
Ron,

See http://forum.voxalot.com/voxalot-sup...html#post20579

At the moment creating a specific Dial Plan rule within VoXalot only gets in the way...you'll need to adjust your ATA dialplan instead to remove the 6 appropriately...
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Ron,

See http://forum.voxalot.com/voxalot-sup...html#post20579

At the moment creating a specific Dial Plan rule within VoXalot only gets in the way...you'll need to adjust your ATA dialplan instead to remove the 6 appropriately...
Emoci,

I'm afraid that's not easily done as my entire Dial Plan design is based on the ATA prefixing everything it sends to Voxalot with a digit (0 - 9), except for things with a leading asterisk (i.e. Sip Broker and Speed Dial numbers). My PAP2 Dial Plan is:

(*[x*].|<#:>x,x[x*].|<:0>x[x*].)

This allows simple dialing to go to my primary VoIP provider for PSTN calls (default prefix 0), or to specify an alternate provider or destination by enterning #n first (#6 is Voxalot). Most #n combinations are already in use, including #8.

Assuming there is going to be support for iNum via Voxalot as a provider in the near future, I'll hold off as I'm very happy with the flexibilty I have with my current Dial Plan design.

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Unread 12-25-2008, 11:07 PM   #37
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I believe it is less about competing with SipBroker and more about the upcoming opportunity to be the terminator of choice for Telcos.
I agree for first part. Voxbone has two potential revenue-sources: termination-fees and PSTN indial.

The first option will however only work of other telco's agree to accept calls to +883 5100. However, as do I do not see any economic motivation for them to do so, I fear this will go the same way as the +3883 (ETNS).

So, for the moment I see the "dialin" system as their main source of revenue.



Concerning, voip calls, the main problem I have with iNum, is that the fact they are building a system next to the already existing one, confuses people.

The big advantage of telephone-numbers is its clearity: You give somebody your phone-number and everybody knows how to reach you, by whatever network, anywhere in the world.

As a voxalot user, we now now only have a sipbroker ID (*010xxxxx) and a E164 number: +882 99 ... (e164.org) and now an additional +883 5100 ... (inum). (PWD-users even have an additional +878 UPT-number).

In essence, this is not a really issue, as long as all numbers work in all circumstances.
However, that's not the case: the sipbroker and e164.org numbers will work in some cases, the inum-number only in some other cases.

This confuses things. 99.999 % of the population has no idea what the differences is between sipbroker, e164.org, UPT and iNum. They just expects a telephone(number) to work, in all cases.
If inum would have used e164.arpa, that would have been the case.



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On that note, I also suspect that not getting listed in e164.arpa was not mean-spirited just an indication of the red-tape involved to get there.
The description of the procedure is here:
ENUM IAB Instructions

(see also The RIPE NCC to Sign the e164.arpa (ENUM) Zone - News & Announcements from the RIPE NCC)




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I have a kind of feature request for Voxalot.

Let's imagine that my Voxalot number is 123456 and I'm calling Gizmo5 user using Voxalot & iNum numbering, so I'll dial something like +883 510 07 7654321
Currently this Gizmo5 subscriber will see my number presented as 123456.

What will be the more desirable behavior is to present my number to the called party as +883 510 004 123456
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Hello,

Dialing inum numbers from voipbuster works fine now.
I have tried my inum numbers of voxeo and voxalot.
Also the inum echo test (00883510000000091) works fine.

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Dialing INUM numbers via voipbuster is not yet working perfectly. I can ring a Voxalot-phone now (by dialing via Voipbuster) but when I try to answer, it doesn't work. Voipbuster keeps on ringing and doesn't seem to notice that the phone is picked up already ... or I do something wrong??
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