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Unread 01-30-2011, 10:06 PM   #11
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I use us.voxalot.com as registration instead of eu.voxalot.com than i have almost no FUP exceeds.
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Unread 01-31-2011, 11:36 PM   #12
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I directly connect to betaxmax clone without anything in between (using gw1 in SPA3000 ATA) and I have static IP. But I still get a lot of FUP charge. These charges do not make sense at all since all my call minutes are way below their limit (300min/7days for voipraider.com). It seems that Betamax has some secret pattern to charge FUP, not just the ip. Here is a list of my calls in Dec., it shows the FUP charges is almost random.

2010-12-31 09:47:17 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:01:30 FREE!
2010-12-30 07:22:21 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:11:56 FREE!
2010-12-29 09:09:42 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:03:57 FREE!
2010-12-27 05:38:10 +xxxxxxxxxxxx (FUP exceeded) 00:14:25 $ 0.300
2010-12-26 08:13:37 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:23:36 FREE!
2010-12-26 07:46:17 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:26:04 FREE!
2010-12-25 16:27:40 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:01:12 FREE!
2010-12-25 05:06:33 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:09:44 FREE!
2010-12-24 05:55:25 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:00:52 FREE!
2010-12-24 05:53:22 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:00:24 FREE!
2010-12-22 06:34:21 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 01:06:03 FREE!
2010-12-22 06:16:40 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:16:15 FREE!
2010-12-21 14:17:21 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:06:23 FREE!
2010-12-18 06:30:01 +xxxxxxxxxxxx (FUP exceeded) 00:40:58 $ 0.820
2010-12-18 06:27:42 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:01:38 FREE!
2010-12-18 06:26:05 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:00:11 FREE!
2010-12-17 14:46:48 +xxxxxxxxxxxx (FUP exceeded) 00:05:22 $ 0.120
2010-12-17 13:57:54 +xxxxxxxxxxxx (FUP exceeded) 00:48:17 $ 0.980
2010-12-17 13:57:05 +xxxxxxxxxxxx (FUP exceeded) 00:00:17 $ 0.020
2010-12-17 12:38:42 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 01:17:44 FREE!
2010-12-17 12:21:03 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:00:25 FREE!
2010-12-17 11:50:36 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:00:54 FREE!
2010-12-17 03:08:02 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:01:15 FREE!
2010-12-15 05:18:29 +xxxxxxxxxxxx (FUP exceeded) 00:01:58 $ 0.040
2010-12-14 20:33:02 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:00:15 FREE!
2010-12-13 14:22:58 +xxxxxxxxxxxx (FUP exceeded) 00:01:59 $ 0.040
2010-12-13 13:54:59 +xxxxxxxxxxxx (FUP exceeded) 00:07:23 $ 0.160
2010-12-13 04:49:09 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:21:28 FREE!
2010-12-12 14:31:45 +xxxxxxxxxxxx 00:41:53 FREE!
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Unread 02-01-2011, 09:05 AM   #13
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Hence, I would recommend to use an ATA, running a dedicated line for betamax. The FUP issue will be completely gone.
The ability to change CID on a call-by-call basis (by using Voxalot's "From user" field to set up several virtual Betamax VSPs) is the one reason that I don't do that.

Like everyone else I get random FUPs but for me, these are outweighed by the benefits of the flexibility that Voxalot gives.

As emoci says, any call not charged is a bonus for me.
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Unread 02-01-2011, 07:01 PM   #14
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The betamax FUP has been discussed a while (actually years over years).

Here is my fix, I use a spa1001 (two sip service, line1/2 on one physical phoneline). and assign one of two lines as a dedicated line for betamax (in my case, spa1001 line2 runs betamax. line1 is with voxalot). I have been using bemamax this way six years.

It's a hardware solution, never heard any issues on this fix from any users.

Hence, I would recommend to use an ATA, running a dedicated line for betamax. The FUP issue will be completely gone.
That is not the case for me, as I listed my call record above. I use SPA3000's gw1 to make calls through voipraider, which should have 300min/7 days/per ip. I have static ip and there is nothing in between, but the FUP charges come for no reason. It looks like they have a very complicated scheme for the FUP, it depends on the country, one-day calls and one-day minutes etc, not just the claimed 300min/7 days/per ip. For example, some times, at the same day, my calls to China's landline were not charged, but the calls to China's mobile phone were charged. The problem is that it is impossible to figure out what criteria they charge FUP.
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Unread 02-02-2011, 12:45 AM   #15
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The safest bet:
-Assume that all your calls over BetaMax will be charged...if they're not that's a bonus
I should remember this. Cool!

I am still using spa1001 (mod PAP2v1). betamax runs on line2 (dial# to select). it has been running this way possibly 6~7 years (spa1001 is a pretty old product).
my international calls on Jan 01 2011, all got charged (some 2 Euro). since then, it's fine so fine. But I was still surprised that FUP occurred to my account eventually.
I had mentioned early. USA domestic calls using betamax, I never run into FUP unless out of free days. International calls using betamax, if voxalot as proxy, whatever, high possibility to get FUP. So I give up. No voxalot when using betamax.
The charge of Jan 01 2011 calls was under "no voxalot" settings. that's why it surprised me. I would think it's a betamax glitch. not my sip setting issue, or FUP (far from 300 min/week).

Now I will keep close watch on this. hopeful not happens frequently.

update:
davidnewton, I checked, on Jan 01 2011, my calls to landlines got charged.

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Unread 02-02-2011, 12:58 AM   #16
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I use us.voxalot.com as registration instead of eu.voxalot.com than i have almost no FUP exceeds.
Interesting! I am at USA but using eu.voxalot.com instead of us.voxalot.com.

With us.voxalot.com proxy, I couldn't access my VM. I got one-way audio or no ringing often. Hence i switched to eu.voxalot.com last May. so far so good.
au.voxalot.com proxy is with serious echo to me.
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Unread 02-02-2011, 01:03 AM   #17
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I should remember this. Cool!


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davidnewton, I checked, on Jan 01 2011, my calls to landlines got charged.
Well, sometimes, they charge, sometime, they don't. No way to tell how they charge. I am sure it is not just a glitch, but they have a system to do this instead of the 300min/7days/per ip. Now, they also doubled the price to many destinations (such as China) for non-free-days. I may not use them if the overall cost get close to other providers (the new price is almost double of callwithus and voip.ms).
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